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The bus lane south of the North Circular: the council plans to extend the operating period to reduce delays to northbound buses

Enfield Council is proposing to extend the operating hours of the northbound bus lane in Green Lanes just south of the North Circular Road so that it is in force from 7am to 7pm seven days of the week, rather than, as now, in the Monday to Friday evening peak only (4pm to 7pm). Only two parking spaces will be available (in the inset bay next to Zourtos butcher's shop), but the council say there is enough parking available on side streets to compensate.

Bus users will be all too familiar with the frustrating delays to northbound journeys which for a decade or more have been a daily occurrence during the afternoon. Buses (and other cars) are unable to use the full length of the nearside lane because it is blocked by parked cars, and it only takes one or two to effectively take most of the lane out of service.

Survey data collected by the council (see the diagrams below) shows that on average only a quarter of the available parking space on this part of Green Lanes is in use at any time. The data also shows that there are usually at least nine empty parking spaces adjacent to Green Lanes on side streets to the west. So, based on "early analysis", the council thinks that keeping the bus lane in force throughout the day will not mean that drivers will have nowhere to park.

parking and loading capacity in green lanes

parking and loading surveySource: Enfield Bus Lanes: Summary of supporting data

The council intends to implement the new hours on an experimental basis for a period of at least six months, with a consultation running at the same time. Analysis of bus journey time data and feedback from the public will be used to decide whether or not to keep, modify or remove the scheme.

There are similar proposals for the corresponding stretch of Fore Street (A1010) in Edmonton just south of the North Circular.

Members of the public can give their views of the proposals using an online survey or by writing to or emailing the council. For full details of the scheme, including bus journey time and parking data, and for informaion about how to comment, see the link below.

Links

Green Lanes & Fore Street Bus Priority Scheme (Let's Talk Enfield website)

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Ann Jones posted a reply
28 Oct 2021 10:02
Trying to highlight the flaws in another proposed scheme at North Mid Hospital as Consultation closes on Sunday. Hope if is ok to post this here. I put it on NextDoor too.

This is a reminder please about the deadlines to write to Enfield Council if you object to the proposed 3 road closures by ANPR fining-cameras by the North Mid Hospital entrance and the building of a cycleway on Bull Lane in front of hospital entrance to car park. The email is . Quoting TG52/1483 incl your full name, address and pistcode. Closing date for consultation is this Sunday 31 Oct. (formal objection to Traffic order is today Wed 27th)

Grounds for objections are many but could include
1. Road closures causing increased congestion and pollution
2. Narrowing of roadway on Bull Lane to add cycleway will increase congestion also on a vital entry point to the hospital and risk of accidents etc
3 plan includes shared pathway to be used by both pedestrians and cyclists, which can be dangerous anyway, but particularly so given that many pedestrians coming to the hospital will be vulnerable. Need full risk assessment.
4. Vulnerable patients, including some elderly, disabled, infirm who may be shielding of who cannot use active travel will have to be driven to their appointments and will be caught up in this congestion, as will hospital transport, local buses, etc.
5. Wilbury Primary School with c.900 pupils will also be impacted with more pollution, as well as local people on these roads
6. Point out the need firstly for a full risk assessment to patients, consultation with patient groups and wider community, a survey to find out how patients currently assess the hospital, baseline traffic and air quality data etc. are needed. You mught also choise to disagree with the Council terminology ‘visitors to the hospital’ when most of these are patients.
7. The underlying purpose of the so-called improvements is to join up Enfield cycle Lanes and Haringey’s Highway. Cyclists make up c. 2% modal share of the transport network. You could ask what alternative routes were considered instead of cutting through an important entry to a major hospital.

Whatever you say please do let the Council know how you feel or would be impacted.

letstalk.enfield.gov.uk/nmh-ati
PGC Webmaster posted a reply
24 Jan 2022 16:10


The Enfield Dispatch today reports that the planned extension of bus lane operating hours along Green Lanes and Fore Street northbound towards the North Circular is under review following negative feedback from residents and businesses.
Colin Younger posted a reply
24 Jan 2022 16:44
If you've ever sat in a northbound bus, queuing for the lights to change while parked cars block the nearside lane, and more join in from the side roads, you will understand why longer bus lanes are needed.
Adrian Day posted a reply
25 Jan 2022 10:44
Agree Colin - northbound from Wood Green to PG especially tiresome
PGC Webmaster posted a reply
25 Jan 2022 15:53
Some extra details to add to the Enfield Dispatch report about the status of the proposed increase in the operating hours of the bus lane on Green Lanes northbound approaching the North Circular.

On 24th December Jonathan Goodson from Enfield Council's traffic team emailed everyone who had responded to the consultation on [the Let's Talk Enfield website . The text of what he wrote is below - first a summary, then information about the responses.


Dear Sir / Madam

Thank you for submitting comments on our proposals to extend the operational hours of the northbound bus lane on Green Lanes, between Lascotts Road and the North Circular Road.

Recap of Proposals

To recap: Currently the controls prohibit use of the bus lane by general traffic only on weekdays, 4pm to 7pm, i.e. for 15 hours each week. Outside of these times, loading and pay and display facilities are available within the bus lane. The core proposal, subject to any localised modifications, would see the operational period extend to 7am to 7pm every day, i.e. for the 84 busiest hours each week. This reflects bus reliability data indicating that delays occur at weekends and in the middle of the day, as well as during the traditional weekday peak periods.

Update in Brief

Further consideration is being given, in particular, to how large vehicle deliveries might be accommodated on the main road and to the impact of any changes on those with mobility limitations, whether they be bus passengers or drivers of domestic vehicles seeking to visit local stores. No changes will come forward in the current 2021 calendar year but the project remains active.


Community Response

Responses were received from 45 individual sources.

11 of the 45 (24%) were in support of the proposals.

Those in favour were typically residents to the nearby area, some identifying as bus users. To summarise comments from this group: they feel the change will help reduce bus delays and represents a long overdue intervention to rebalance priorities on the main road in favour of buses and their numerous passengers over private/stationary vehicles. (A recent email from a resident to the department requesting the very change proposed, seemingly unaware that such proposals had recently been issued, represents a 12th person expressing this point of view.)

34 of the 45 (76%) expressed concerns or were explicitly opposed.

Key interested groups included:

Traders from adjacent stores, some with specific concerns about their future servicing options, or about loss of customer parking space.
Residents of connecting side roads (notably Spencer Avenue), some who share the concerns above and do not wish to see parking or loading activity displaced into the side road.

Residents from the nearby area, who sympathise with the concerns above or who feel trips by private vehicle will be overly curtailed, or who claim that the changes will add to overall congestion on the main road.

Traders, residents or local campaigners from beyond the immediate area, who have concerns and complaints about previous traffic schemes in the wider Palmers Green area and see the bus lane proposals as having similar drawbacks or risking exacerbating those drawbacks or being an attempt to mitigate those drawbacks rather than address them by revisiting the previous scheme work.

Communal Submission 1
One message of objection included a petition bearing signatures from various households on Spencer Avenue. Concerns are that a greater presence of vehicles in the side road seeking parking or loading space will add to congestion or fumes in the side road and unduly hinder access from private driveways.

Communal Submission 2
Another communal submission included a petition against the proposals representing a broader section of the local community and presented details of alternative parking surveys attributed to the Green Lanes Business Association. Concerns, which will be further addressed in due course, included:
• Various queries over the applicability or validity of the project team’s supporting data about bus delays etc
• An assertion that the parking/loading facilities are currently subject to greater use than that indicated by the project team’s surveys provided on our consultation page
• Loss of disabled parking provision
• Loss of, and future over-demand for, loading spaces for businesses, especially involving larger vehicles
• Greater congestion on main road by denying access into bus lane to general traffic
• Congestion on side roads due to displaced movements associated with high street

Occupants of Homes above Premises on Green Lanes
There appears to be no notable response to the proposals from those whose main interest pertains to them living above the stores on Green Lanes, despite letters being delivered to these homes.

Some initial responses to key questions and comments submitted are found below my signature. A further update will follow in the near future.

Jonathan Goodson
Principal Engineer - Traffic Team
Place Department
Enfield Council

Initial Responses to Key Questions or Comments Submitted

How will traders receive deliveries by larger vehicles?
Previous video surveys, along with direct engagement and site meetings with certain traders since issue of the proposals, gives the team a good understanding of the current demand for loading space by larger vehicles. The team is considering how these can be accommodated on the main road without excessively diluting the intended benefits of the scheme and will update interested parties in due course. Providing a suitable resolution to this issue would also mitigate associated concerns about large vehicles using side roads, or the practicality of delivery drivers off-loading large quantities of refrigerated or perishable goods at a distance from the premises.

What about parking provision for blue-badge holders?
Our revised proposals will include explicit parking provision for blue badge holders. The Equality Impact Assessment that is being prepared can consider this alongside the impacts for other less able travellers and protected groups.

Won’t extending the bus lane hours add to congestion on the main road?
Essentially the proposal seeks to keep the bus lane clear for moving traffic (buses only) for an additional 9 hours each weekday, rather than having the space occupied by stationary, private vehicles. Observing that minimal use of the bus lane is currently made by any moving traffic outside the operational period, due to its occupation by dwelling vehicles, it is deemed axiomatic that allocating this space for use by moving traffic can only help northbound traffic flow.
In the short term, buses would be aided by having a clear, uninterrupted lane in the 7am to 7pm period. General traffic would be aided by no longer needing to share a single lane with the 180 daily buses that proceed north between 7am and 4pm. On a congested network, buses are more space efficient than private cars. Thus, in the longer term, schemes that promote more use of buses through better reliability rather than cars would tend to produce a general easing of congestion over time, or at least offer a balancing mechanism against the prevailing congestion levels becoming worse if the local population grows further. This effect would help alike not only bus passengers but those remaining drivers who really needed to travel by car for any particular trip.

Isn’t this proposal linked to the adjacent neighbourhood scheme? Why not remove that instead?
The neighbourhood scheme on the streets west of Green Lanes is currently under review. We can state that the origins of the bus lane proposals are definitively not found in the neighbourhood project because the suggestion of extending the hours of the northbound bus lanes on Fore Street and Green Lanes features in TfL-generated documents shared with the department that date back to 2017. Taking the Green Lanes suggestion forward was deferred while other nearby project work (the Bowes Park CPZ for example) was advanced and while potentially conflicting proposals were investigated, but found non-viable, in the intervening period. The pandemic then interrupted TfL-funded bus priority programmes in 2020. The neighbourhood project arose when the department sought to use the opportunity offered by specific funding released directly by central government in 2020 for sustainable travel projects that were stipulated to be taken forward that year in specific response to the pandemic.
Basil Clarke posted a reply
26 Jan 2022 23:58
As someone who travels regularly by bus from Wood Green or points further south, I can't wait for the bus lane operating hours extension, and am disappointed that it won't be extended a little later, say to 8pm, because as soon as car parking restarts at 7pm the frustrating delays to buses start up again.

This should really have happened at least a decade ago. Over the years hundreds of thousands of bus journeys have been delayed, especially at weekends. A quick journey by tube to Wood Green from central London is followed by a very slow bus journey up to Palmers Green. Bus passengers are people too and are not adding to congestion - if they stop using the bus and drive instead, that will just increase congestion.

It's a frequent occurrence at the Triangle and Lodge Drive northbound bus stops to see the next bus shown as arriving in 2 or 3 minutes and then the countdown just gets stuck on the same number of minutes without changing for ages - a likely sign that the bus is stuck in a queue south of the North Circular.

It's not just passengers who are affected. Delays cause havoc with bus timetables and drivers' working hours and must affect the economics of running bus services.

What about the points raised by the objectors?

The reply by Jonathan Goodson says that the proposals are being revised to take account of two of these points - parking for blue badge holders and deliveries by large lorries.

The Blue Badge problem definitely needs to be tackled - though we mustn't forget that many of the most disabled people either can't drive or can't afford to drive and will be bus passengers. But the large lorries question is less straightforward. I don't think it's right for big companies to use huge HGVs to supply their smallest shops. These HGVs take up a lot of road space and parking space, they represent a danger to pedestrians and cyclists, particularly children. because of restricted visibility from the cab and because of their sheer bulk. By all means use them to deliver to big supermarkets with dedicated parking for deliveries, but not to small high street shops. The optimum solution, which seems to be definitely coming, is "last mile" delivery from distribution hubs by small electric vehicles or by electric bikes.

Jonathan Goodson is also correct in pointing out that the objectors are wrong when they say that bus lanes operation slows down all traffic. It doesn't. Having spent too many hours observing from the top deck when approaching the North Circ, I agree that cars don't use the inside lane except for parking, because they would have to keep pulling out into the outside lane - as buses are forced to. In effect, there is never two-lane car traffic except perhaps in the middle of the night.
PGC Webmaster posted a reply
01 Feb 2022 20:39
A decision on the bus lanes operating hours extension has been postponed for 3-4 months. People who responded to the consultation were updated this week by email.

Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for your interest in the Council's proposed extension of the bus lane hours in Fore Street and Green Lanes. You will recall that the idea was to extend the controls to 7am to 7pm, Monday to Sunday to help tackle the delays to northbound buses. A number of issues have been raised in response to our initial engagement and we have decided to pause the scheme whilst the scheme is reviewed. I anticipate that the review will be complete within 3-4 months and I will contact you again in due course with a further update.

Jonathan Goodson
Principal Engineer - Traffic Team
Place Department
Enfield Council
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