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    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • Please share some evidence for your assertions. All the research I've seen conducted in the last year shows more support than opposition for LTNs - and that it's those opposing who are in the 'small and noisy' group. https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/steady-support-for-for-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-in-london/ . Remember Enfield's population is over 330,000 - so 50 to 100 people at a demo doesn't even hint at a majority (but a tiny percentage). And finally, in this case, the camera doesn't lie - no evidence of the claimed gridlock on periphery roads whatsoever - remember this is a Saturday morning!
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Adrian Day
    • Yesterday 08:45
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • The Lakes Estate Conservation area, set up in 2010, was the last of 22 conservation areas to be designated. The Fox Lane and District Residents' Association had pressed for all roads between Aldermans Hill and Bourne Hill to be included, but the council felt that this would be unmanageable given the planning implications of such a wide designation; the smaller area is still probably the largest conservation area in terms of tr number of properties included. The Lakes estate was developed from 1902 on the Old Park Estate , the area to the north from 1908 on the site of Clappers Farm, which would account for the differences in the style of houses. The council based the designation on assessments by the then Paul Drury Partnership. The use of the term "Lakes"Estate seems to have been based on nothing more than a few road names.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Colin Younger
    • 26 Jul 2021 15:34
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • I was questioning the assertion that the term 'The Lakes Estate' was coined by an Estate Agent. A digression to the thread topic certainly, but not intended as a "clincher" (of what?) and I remain nonplussed - despite having grown up in the area - about the term and its use. Seems to me that it is something of a moveable feast, as the last few posts have shown... Me, I'm looking forward to the return of the Trolleybuses.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Alan Thomas
    • 26 Jul 2021 10:40
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • Basil asks why some equivalent streets were not included in the CA. Controversial at the time the answer is that even pre austerity our council had insufficient dedicated resource to manage more than a proportion of those streets deemed worthy on top of the existing CA’s. (Determining CA’s was a HMG requirement.) Perhaps with The Mall et al included it might have been called The Conway CA. I’m not clear if the streets north of Fox Lane, from Amberley to Caversham, were part of the original character assessment and tabbed for inclusion. If so I’m sure it would have been The Fox Lane CA. Someone with a longer and deeper local memory may have the answer.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Karl Brown
    • 26 Jul 2021 10:01
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • In an earlier post Karl Brown called Leigh Hunt Drive "an existing LTN". And so it is! Those dastardly developers, in cahoots with the council, only went and sneaked in an LTN without calling it that so that people could live on a private estate. They missed a great chance for drivers to do the sensible thing and use a cut-through between main roads. Just take a look at the map above. Instead of letting cars enter and exit on the Bourne as well as High Street, the developers put in a "modal filter" so that only pedestrians and cyclists can get through at the Bourne end of the estate. It would have been really easy to create a nice cut-through for cars, but the selfish and undemocratic council didn't because they only care about cyclists. The result is that people living in Leigh Hunt Drive can't drive straight to Grovelands Park or Southgate Methodist Church. They have to drive all the way round Southgate Circus and get stuck in traffic. I suppose at a pinch they could walk to the church, but it's unfair and undemocratic. Who remembers a consultation about an LTN in Leigh Hunt Drive? Nobody, because there wasn't one! Why hasn't One Community Against the Enfield LTNs kicked up...
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Basil Clarke
    • 25 Jul 2021 20:24
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • I can't see how what you call a particular group of streets has any bearing on whether or not an LTN is a good idea or a bad idea. However, the question of where the Lakes Estate is and how long it's been called that has come up in this forum thread and is an interesting one in its own right. The map shows the Lakes Estate Conservation Area and the Meadway Conservation Area superimposed on the council's map of the Fox Lane quieter neighbourhood. The Lakes Estate, as defined by the conservation area, occupies something between a quarter and a third of the QN area. The style of houses and streets in the Meadway CA is completely different from those in the Lakes Estate, that much is clear. But some of the streets that aren't in either CA don't feel that different from those in the Lakes Estate CA, for instance, Oakfield Road, the Mall, Amberley Road. Probably also Cranley Gardens and Burford Gardens (but not Caversham Avenue). Why aren't these in the Lakes Estate? Are they regarded by experts as less worthy of conservation? If so, why? Is it because they're not named after lakes? But that goes for all of them apart from Derwent and Ulleswater. And when did the name Lakes Estate...
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Basil Clarke
    • 25 Jul 2021 19:25
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • Picking up Alan Thomas’ comment - The decision to delineate a number of streets into a new conservation area (CA) after years of pressure to do so – with requested with a much larger footprint than was finally agreed- by the residents association in particular and then call it whatever isn’t really a clincher as is implied. The CA includes Broomfield Avenue (an existing LTN) which is outside of the LTN and in most eyes also outside of the Lakes Estate. The Fox Lane LTN excludes Broomfield Avenue but includes eg Devonshire Road, The Meadway CA, many streets to the north of Fox Lane, the Leigh Hunt Drive estate (an existing LTN), a number of streets separating the Lakes and Meadway CA’s plus a plethora of other sundry streets . Think of it as the Fox Lane LTN is more than Fox Lane, but it’s a handy name to use, just as it's more than the Lakes Estate, whether that’s defined by the CA name or the completely arbitrary boundary which more usually defines it. The original author might have had the historic Old Park Estate in mind.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Karl Brown
    • 25 Jul 2021 16:16
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • Anyone in the country could fill-in the Fox Lane LTN consultation - as many times as they wanted. It was publicised throughout the Borough on all relevant social media channels and websites as well as by pro- and anti-LTN groups both within and outside the LTN. Short of door-to-door calling on every household in the Borough not sure what else could've been done (and given lockdown that might've been awkward...).
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Adrian Day
    • 25 Jul 2021 13:56
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • So that’s no consultation but there was consultation. At least that’s cleared up. In reality there has been a rolling series of informing work over many years, typically residents’ association and /or council inspired, or involved. Perhaps the most familiar for the current LTN was the large exercise typically referred to as “Starbucks”. The consultation on the live Fox Lane pilot lasted many months and ended only recently. I understand it was available to anyone and everyone. A report will doubtless follow. But even then a consultation is an informing exercise – informing two ways – and forms part of a balancing decision which necessarily will factor in other dimensions such as cost, risk / reward, HMG policy, London policy, local plan requirements and more. An often repeated phrase, that a consultation is not a referendum, is accurate. That’s not how UK democracy operates.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Karl Brown
    • 25 Jul 2021 11:02
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • I think your numbers are wrong. Bystanders dont always get the best picture. Huge support from passing traffic Saturday morning 10.00 am in the rain. Local people making extended journeys adding pollution to surrounding roads. And let me add to below post re. Consultation: in the only limited engagement some residents had to this LTN, 73% said NO to blocked roads. This is from Enfield Council’s own website. To add insult to injury, no one from the impacted roads now considered to be inside the LTN were even invited to participate. To be clear, this means residents of Bourne Hill, The High St, Cannon Hill, Aldermans Hill or Palmers Green High St/Green Lanes. Yet Enfield Council says they are inside the LTN. Consider these are our neighbours. This is our neighbourhood.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Ann Jones
    • 24 Jul 2021 23:25
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • And less than 50 protestors at this morning's well-publicised demonstration against Enfield LTNs on Southgate Green. That's around 0.01% of the Borough's population....the 'majority of Enfield residents oppose' claim doesn't quite ring true! Moderator's note: 3 or 4 subsequent posts arguing about whether there were 50, 60 or 100 demonstrators have been deleted. Too boring, try Facebook instead.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Adrian Day
    • 24 Jul 2021 13:01
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • re the press letter highlighted, I never cease to be amazed that however extensive the level of consultation there comes along a claim that there was no consultation; a claim as inaccurate as the Fox Lane LTN area being The Lakes Estate, that non-defined and much smaller area made up by an estate agent a decade or so since for marketing purposes. “Hampstead Borders” sounded much better to me but was perhaps a step too far. As for the rest, numerous evidence reports behind eg the Mayors Transport Strategy and the linked same of Enfield Council will assist and correct much of the (apparent absence of) understanding and I’d specifically commend reading a report from this week’s PGC newsletter https://climateexp0.medium.com/why-we-need-road-pricing-7fc151f1ca1d “There is no solution that does not require large-scale modal shift to active, public and shared transport for moving people.” The draft Enfield Local Plan, now out for consultation, captures the same conclusion:- (13.2.1) “The healthy streets approach, set out in the London Plan and Enfield Transport Plan, and aims to achieve a significant step-change away from car use to more sustainable transport modes such...
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Karl Brown
    • 23 Jul 2021 17:21
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    • Hi all, my name's Will Jackson, a life-long resident of Palmers Green and avid contributor to our vibrant music scene! Next month I'll be hosting a 3 date mixing and producing course in Logic Pro X. The course will be held on Zoom, with a maximum of 20 people per lesson. I'll be walking through the core techniques and strategies of building a modern song (not too genre specific, but based loosely around RnB/soul, pop and rock). We'll be looking at how to build vital mixing skills and understand important tools such as equalisation, compression and reverb. Every lesson will build on the last.If you'd like to sign up to any of the lessons, please get in touch: E: emailProtector.addCloakedMailto("ep_60acfcc4", 0); P: 07545 351992 August 11th, 18th, 25th
    • In Other Subjects / The Arts
    • Author Will Jackson
    • 23 Jul 2021 15:26
    • Threat of legal action against Fox Lane LTN
    • It's good that the Council are listening to carers and people with disabilities - and perhaps this particular engagement should have been done earlier. And it's understandable that some carers need vehicles to complete their visits - however the cause of delays is not LTNs but too much traffic. We need to reduce the high percentage of journeys made by car which could easily be made by walking, cycling or public transport (and then there will be more space for those who must drive). LTNs have proven to one effective tool in the box marked 'how do we reduce vehicle journeys' alongside road charging, cycle lanes , improved public transport and better pavements. Plenty of research studies over the past year have shown a majority of people support these measures - as well as central government, GLA and Enfield Council . There will also be measures that can be taken to smooth flow on peripheral roads including traffic light phasing . Finally LTNs make the area much safer for those using mobility aids - in my residential road someone who is slow crossing a road no longer had to be fearful of through-traffic racing along at up to 60mph. We need many more LTNS in Enfield.
    • In Planning and Development / Quieter Neighbourhoods
    • Author Adrian Day
    • 22 Jul 2021 21:55
    • Palmers Green Merkur Slots protest raised with May...
    • Just a thought for the great campaigners who have worked so hard fighting Merkur Slots and I hope will continue to do so. What happened here is that the gambling company used that well known trick of sticking in their planning application around the Christmas break when everyone was distracted. When I lived in Brent, a disreputable pub chain tried the same thing but under pressure from me, the Council extended the consultation period to allow residents more time to object. Could we, as a group, ask Enfield Council to adopt different procedures over for example the period late Dec/early Jan and to have a back up plan if they see a potentially controversial application sail through without objections. I understand there are also national legislation governing this but we didn’t stand a chance when the application proceeded unchallenged. The Brent experience makes me think Councils could put in place discretionary procedures to ensure residents have the opportunity to object.
    • In Planning and Development / Palmers Green Town Centre
    • Author Ann Jones
    • 22 Jul 2021 14:24
    • Civic groups unite in opposition to council green ...
    • For the second week running council leader Nesil Caliskan finds herself the addressee of an angry letter from a charity leader. Last week it was the National Park City Foundation writing, this week the head of campaigns at CPRE London, the London branch (!) of the Council for the Protection of Rural England. Alice Roberts is strongly critical of the leader's claim, quoted in Enfield Dispatch, that unless Green Belt land is used for new housebsuuilding, the only alternative will be to "[pack] people into small units in dense towers with a lack of access to open space and supporting infrastructure". On the contrary, she argues that it is proven that there is sufficient brownfield land to satisfy requirements and that building on the greenfield sites allocated in the draft Enfield Local Plan would produce precisely those shortcomings of supporting infrastructure and the lack of public transport provision that will work against the need to create low-car or car-free development. The full letter can be read on the . The was published on Tuesday. It is based around the letter reported by PGC last week and the council leader's reaction.
    • In Planning and Development / Planning & Development: Miscellaneous subjects
    • Author PGC Webmaster
    • 21 Jul 2021 23:17

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