Forum topic: Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
15 Jul 2025 00:22 #7408- Colin Barratt
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Enfield Council's proposals to restore the meandering course of the Pymmes Brook as it flows through Arnos Park are supported by nature conservation volunteer group Pymmes BrookERS but opposed by park users groups Friends of Arnos Park and Arnos Park Preservation Society. In this article, Colin Barratt from Southgate District Civic Voice summarises the positions of all four organisations.

This article by Colin Barratt was originally published in the July 2025 edition of the Southgate District Civic Voice Newsletter. It is republished with the author's permission.
During my childhood Arnos Park was my local park and playground and I remember paddling in Pymmes Brook, under the tube viaduct. (I wouldn’t advise anyone to do this now!). This park was also where we played our primary school football matches and it was regularly used for cricket matches and by Sunday morning football league teams.
In the nineteenth century, the area which later became Arnos Park was part of the great Walker estate, where Pymmes Brook wandered through the valley, on its way to Edmonton. This part of the estate was bought by Southgate council in 1928 to create Arnos Park. The brook tended to flood at various places along its length. To prevent this, and to accommodate the tube viaduct, which spanned it, the council re-routed and straightened Pymmes Brook, running it in a concrete channel for much of its length.
Over the years the brook has become polluted and there is still a risk of flooding downstream in the Edmonton area, so Enfield Council’s Watercourses Team have put forward a plan to restore the section which runs through Arnos Park. The intention is to recreate its original meandering route, released from its current concrete channel.
This proposal has generated strong feelings both for and against it:
Pymmes BrookERS is a volunteer-run community group that works to improve the health of both the Pymmes and Salmons brooks. They support any proposal to restore the health of the Pymmes Brook along its course and believe this will benefit the river, wildlife, and people.
Their view is that Pymmes Brook is in very poor health. It is polluted by agriculture where it rises in outer London farmland; by sewage from property plumbing misconnections and the poor condition of Thames Water infrastructure; and by road run-off (oil, petrol and heavy metals that come off vehicles via brake pads and tyres, and which wash into rivers after rain, killing all aquatic life). Pollution levels vary with weather conditions and other factors, but the river’s concrete sides and base, straight and too-deep channel, plus weirs in Arnos Park and elsewhere, all contribute to its poor health. Weirs stop fish spawning, so they can’t survive for long. Weirs also slow the flow behind the weir, creating a stagnant pool, where toxic sediment is deposited.
Restoring and re-meandering a river allows it to flow more naturally. Faster flows clean the gravels, under which invertebrates live. These invertebrates are crucial to the food web, supplying food for birds and aquatic life, but they can’t survive in dank, concrete-clad, slow-moving water where sediments are constantly being deposited. A natural river is about 30% fast-moving riffles and 70% slower-moving, deeper pools.
Adding small wetland areas will improve the river even more, as the plants filter out pollutants completely naturally. Wetlands also hold on to volumes of water in heavy rain, which helps to reduce flooding both locally and, vitally, downstream in Edmonton, where there is a risk to people’s homes.
Re-meandering the river will also improve river health and water quality. It will restore biodiversity through riverside planting and wetlands, allowing wildlife to thrive – which means more dragonflies, kingfishers, herons and fish! This scheme in Arnos Park presents an opportunity to enrich the area’s biodiversity.
The Pymmes BrookERS believe that any scheme delivered by Enfield’s watercourses team will be high quality. The team has won awards for its work on the Salmons Brook and Enfield Chase Restoration Project, plus wetlands projects at Wilbury Way, Firs Farm and Albany Park, among others.
Pymmes BrookERS have set up an online petition for people to register they are in favour of the scheme, which currently has 270 signatures.
Friends of Arnos Park and Arnos Park Preservation Society oppose the plan for what they consider a divisive flood defence scheme in Arnos Park. Over 700 residents have appealed to Enfield Council to halt the plans.
A member of both groups, Matthew Pierce, said “Local people are unhappy with the proposal as we believe it will split the park in two, reducing space for ball games, picnics etc. and blocking sightlines in the park, making it less safe for women.
“We also doubt how much of a flood risk Pymmes Brook actually is and think that any wildlife benefits will be severely limited by heavy pollution. How can they afford to maintain this new river?”
The residents highlighted issues with trees and reeds getting overgrown and not being managed on other river schemes such as Turkey Brook in Albany Park and Firs Farm Wetlands in Winchmore Hill.
Matthew said residents would like to see work done to improve the wildlife habitats and tackle the pollution, but many did not think this was the solution.
Enfield Council’s response
A council spokesperson said: “The council is currently in conversation with the Friends of Arnos Park, Arnos Park Preservation Society, and several other local community groups.
“A community meeting will be scheduled this summer which forms part of a series of early engagement events that will help the council to shape the proposal, and address concerns raised by the local park users and residents. A full public consultation is planned to be carried out later in the year.
“The council is designing the scheme based on community feedback, with the key aim of including restoration of natural river habitat and reducing flood risk to hundreds of residents downstream of Arnos Park, including in Edmonton where there is a greater risk of flooding.
“The overall aim of the proposal is to design a scheme that delivers significant benefits to residents and wildlife, while minimising any potential negative impacts.”
Southgate District Civic Voice currently has not taken a position on the proposal, but we felt it was important to put both sides of the debate to our members.
For more discussion about the Arnos Park river restoration project see thls discussion thread in the PGC forums. If you wish to add to the discussion, please comment on this new article.
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Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
17 Jul 2025 10:49 #7409- Sue Beard
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Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
19 Jul 2025 08:34 #7410- Wendy Berry
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Let us hope that Enfield Council will listen to the vast majority of Arnos Park users, and follow the APPS proposal for 'River Restoration - not Relocation'. The massive attendance at the Public Meeting on 17th July confirmed this view. How very disappointing the officers from Enfield Council refused their invitation to attend.
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Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
05 Aug 2025 19:38 #7415- Kevin Croft
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£60K has already been received by Enfield Council, from the Environment Agency, to carry out a feasibility study for this proposal, and we assume that this has not yet been completed. Are these checks part of that study? Currently we have heard nothing since the council cancelled their engagement event, regarding any further engagement or information regarding any proposals for Arnos Park.
See the attached press release regarding this FOI request:
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Kevin Croft, Chair, Friends of Arnos Park.
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Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
06 Aug 2025 19:48 #7416- PGC Webmaster
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www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/legal_status_covenants_permissio
I have summarised their content below, but recommend reading the full texts.
The request, first submitted on 5th June, is for information that the council holds regarding the acquisition of the land in 1928, deeds and covenants, land registry plans, legal advice etc, in particular "any works that may represent a change of use from a legally protected public park to flood infrastructure or wetlands and whether appropriate legal due diligence has been carried out."
The requested information was provided by Enfield Council on 29th July. The council's response states that many of the items requested are not held by the council.
The only document provided by the council relating to the acquisition of the land in 1928 is a map showing the boundaries of the land that was acquired.
In answer to the question about legal advice obtained by the council, the response states that "The Council has not sought any legal advice at this stage".
As regards internal assessments by the council, the response states that the only one carried out to date is a "high-level internal assessment [...] to consider the impact of the scheme on space available for recreation". In relation to this it refers to section 5 of document entitled "Arnos Park - 5 Key Concerns and Responses" which is attached to the response.
The 5 Key Concerns document appears to have been written in early June for eventual publication as part of the consultation process. The five concerns that it addresses are:
1. Why change the course of the Pymmes Brook?
2. Park Safety and Anti-Social Behaviour
3. Maintaining the restored River and Park
4. Tackling pollution in the Pymmes Brook
5. Protecting Open Green Space in Arnos Park.
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Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
06 Aug 2025 20:13 - 06 Aug 2025 20:20 #7417- PGC Webmaster
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Click here to view the plan
Below I've copied the part of the map showing the new park:
This was, of course, before the Piccadilly Line was extended from Finsbury Park to Southgate and Cockfosters, but the site of the future Arnos Grove station is marked on the map.
The course of the Pymmes Brook through the future park is fairly wiggly, except in the east, where it is dead straight. This is because the river originally meandered south out of the bounds of the future park and was straightened to keep it within the park. The older course is shown using dotted lines (It's unclear whether the straightening had already happened or was just planned, the same goes for all the streets shown on the map.)
However, we mustn't assume that the course of the river shown here is "natural", because this bit of land was not countryside, it was part of the designed landscape of the Arnos Grove estate and for all we know the course of the Pymmes Brook may have been changed back in the 17th or 18th century to fit in with the overall design of the estate.Â
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Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
09 Aug 2025 14:26 #7422- Matthew Pierce
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APPS advocates RIVER RESTORATION NOT RELOCATION, which means restoring the river in its current location by cutting back trees to let sunlight in, planting water weeds and wildflowers and taking action to tackle pollution. Local people consistently suggest this as an alternative to the Council's scheme.
Please read our attached rebuttal document.Â
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Restoring the Pymmes Brook in Arnos Park: putting both sides of the debate
22 Aug 2025 16:44 #7431- Wendy Berry
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Now that the Thames Water project is coming to an end, it is a joy to see our beautiful wide open spaces restored to their former glory. The park looked particularly lovely this morning, with so many people taking advantage of this wonderful facility at 715 a.m. this morning. Even the brook, which is so wrongly maligned by some of the 'relocation' supporters, looked lovely, as it meandered along, close to the path, for everyone to enjoy. There were runners, dog walkers, single older people, friends, parents with babies, and more 'good mornings' than I could count. It truly is a community park, and so greatly valued by all of us who use it.
Park users keep asking if LBE's river relocation proposal is now done, and if our park will be now be left for us to enjoy. But I fear that this project will continue, although who knows when and how. The thought of the bulldozers coming to cut a channel right through the centre of our lovely park, and demolishing some of our spectacular trees, does fill me with fear. Perhaps a few elderly ladies lying in their path might create some headlines!
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