Forum topic: Arnos Park river restoration project
Arnos Park river restoration project
07 Jun 2025 08:18 #7381- Wendy Berry
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Arnos Park river restoration project
11 Jun 2025 16:38 #7384- Wendy Berry
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This is clearly an extremely divisive issue, but the views of park users must be fully and fairly considered, before any final decisions are made. It would not be appropriate, in my view, for those who do not even use the park, to have their views given priority over regular park users.
I must make a final comment about the way that the Friends' organisations are bring treated. I am not a member of any of these groups, but I have the hugest respect for those who give up their time, money and energy to keep our parks as beautiful as many currently are (especially Arnos Park). Apparently LBE has suddenly withdrawn insurance cover for park volunteers, and the Friends groups must now organise, and pay for, this, themselves. This will hardly encourage this excellent group of people to carry out the additional maintenance tasks which will most certainly be required to maintain something as significant as a completely new river in Arnos Park (with all it's surrounding vegetation).
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Arnos Park river restoration project
11 Jun 2025 22:44 #7385- PGC Webmaster
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www.change.org/p/support-for-the-river-restoration-project-in-arnos-park
The person who started the petition, Sarah Brooks, is a member of the Pymmes BrookERS , a group of volunteers who work to improve the water quality and appearance of the brook.
See below for the full text of the petition.
The Issue
We are lucky enough to live locally to Arnos Park and enjoy the serenity and peace the park offers, we want to see this park thrive and that’s why we are in support of the river restoration project.
The project promises to return the river - Pymmes Brook to a natural flow, meandering through the middle of Arnos Park, taking the river out of its concrete walls where the river sits ecologically dead and instead enhancing biodiversity, preventing local flooding and creating new walking routes to enjoy.
A natural river is about 30% fast-moving riffles and 70% slower-moving, deeper pools – something Feargal Sharkey told us when he walked the Pymmes Brook back in 2018. The natural faster flow of river will encourage invertebrate life, crucial to the food chain, supplying food for birds and aquatic life, but they can’t survive in dank, concrete-clad, slow-moving water where sediments are constantly being deposited.
Proposed wetland areas will improve the river even more, as the plants filter out pollutants completely naturally. Wetlands also hold on to volumes of water in heavy rain, which helps to reduce flooding both locally and, vitally, downstream in Edmonton where there is a flood risk to people’s homes.
We believe that any scheme delivered by Enfield’s watercourses team will be high quality. The team has won awards for its work on the Salmons Brook and Enfield Chase Restoration Project plus wetlands projects at Wilbury Way, Firs Farm and Albany Park, among others. These parks are now flourishing with wildlife.
Sign the petition showing your support for the river restoration project and the countless benefits it will bring.
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Arnos Park river restoration project
11 Jun 2025 22:47 - 11 Jun 2025 22:48 #7386- PGC Webmaster
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Interesting about the comments about history. Almost no river in UK runs in its original course – they have all been diverted, straightened, turned into ditches and worse. The river would have been more towards the centre of the park - - the actual river valley/natural flood plain, best place for a river to run, really. And comments about history are spurious – I believe when the park was part of a private estate it was landscaped by one of the C17th landscape designers - - Humphrey Repton I believe. So, most landscapes are different depending on which era of history you roll them back to. Originally, the brook was called ‘Marsh Meadow Mead’, which tells you that it was a brook flowing through meadowland and marshes. Lovely image!
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Arnos Park river restoration project
12 Jun 2025 08:38 #7388- Matthew Pierce
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“The river sits ecologically dead” – I disagree on this. I know from my own pond dipping that it contains sticklebacks (a kind of small fish), water slaters, chironomid midges and snails. The sticklebacks provide food for kingfishers and herons. The water is quite heavily polluted however - which limits the range of aquatic wildlife in the river – but this will be equally true of any new river channel.
Arnos Park Preservation Society advocates restoration of the existing channel, which is not all concrete and includes at least two shallower, faster running sections. This would include
i) cutting back trees to let light reach the water and allow water plants to flourish
ii) reshaping the banks and planting with marginal reeds, rushes and wildflowers
iii) most importantly, taking action to reduce sewage pollution.
Wetlands (i.e. reedbeds as in Broomfield Park) can “filter out pollutants” - but only if 1/3 of the reeds are cut and removed each year. The problem is that Enfield Council has never done any such wetlands maintenance. At Pymmes Park wetlands, recent testing I have seen showed water quality worse at the outflow than at the inflow!
“Downstream in Edmonton … there is a flood risk to people’s homes” – this is what the Council says, however the most recent serious Edmonton floods in 2000 at Montagu Road were caused by the Salmon’s Brook overflowing, not Pymmes Brook. Pymmes Brook seems never to have caused any flooding – its highest ever level in 1993 fell 1m short of that. So I think the flood risk argument doesn’t stand up.
“We believe that any scheme delivered by Enfield’s watercourses team will be high quality.” This is arguable at best. The lack of management of existing schemes has resulted in paths being blocked by brambles and wildflower meadows becoming overgrown. At Albany Park the new river channel is being overrun by trees, which block views across it. This is our fear for Arnos Park, where the open views and sightlines are so important for women’s safety and the general ambience and character of the park.
If anyone would like to find out more, or join the campaign against a new river channel in the middle of Arnos Park, please visit Arnos Park Preservation Society
Facebook: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61564264892315
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Arnos Park river restoration project
17 Jun 2025 19:23 #7393- Wendy Berry
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I must stress that this is the view of the overwhelming majority of Arnos Park users. We know this from all the time that has been spent collecting almost 800 signatures for the hard copy petition opposing the river relocation proposal. We have shown park users the plans of the proposal, and heard their views. Yes.... a few people did support the relocation proposal, others wished to think about it, but most were in no doubt that this is not what should happen.
Whilst I accept that the Pymmes BrookERS have a narrow and specific agenda, regarding the brook and the changes to Arnos Park, I would suggest that the wider picture must be considered, and that the views of the majority of park users must prevail. Arnos Park was created to provide sport and recreational activities for those living in the urban areas surrounding it. It has always fulfilled that objective, and brings joy and a sense of well-being to so many of us. The brook is still an important part of that, and most park users believe that much could be done to restore the brook, where it currently is, rather than relocating it and changing the entire nature and purpose of Arnos Park. This is why the Arnos Park Preservation Society came into being - as APPS.
The BrookERS' on-line petition is misleading and factually inaccurate, as Mathew Pierce has pointed out. I assume it could be signed by anyone, even if they had not actually used or enjoyed our beautiful Arnos Park. So we must not let the word 'Restoration' be mis-used by the proposers of the river re-location project. Their proposal is the 'river re-location', but the majority of park users, represented by APPS, wish for 'river restoration'!
We must all listen to each other and understand what Arnos Park means to so many of its users. Organising an on-line petition which is universally accessible, can have little value in this process.
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Arnos Park river restoration project
25 Jun 2025 19:32 #7398- Wendy Berry
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This eagerly awaited event, where LBE officers would explain their proposals for Arnos Park, and listen to the views of invited representatives, was suddenly cancelled last Friday. This was apparently do to an insufficient number of invitees confirming their attendance. Obviously, those of us who had made a commitment to attend were extremely disappointed. No further date has been suggested, as yet.
So now we still wait to hear what, exactly, is being proposed, by Enfield Council officers. We only have a draft proposal, drawn up last year, as a potential guide, and there is a considerable amount of opposition to those initial proposals. The majority of Arnos Park users wish for 'River Restoration, not River Relocation', as has already been stated.
So many Arnos Park users had wished to have their voices heard, but they were refused that opportunity. And now the replacement 'invitees only' meeting, has also been cancelled. So the discussions continue, with no apparent prospect of any clear guidance.
Let us hope that some clarity is obtained very soon, so that everyone can relax, and concentrate on enjoying our beautiful park, with its much-valued brook, rather than trying to change it so drastically.
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Arnos Park river restoration project
03 Jul 2025 11:48 #7405- Irene Tagg Lieven
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