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Improved train frequencies from May

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12 Feb 2018 18:58 #3623

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Starting on 20 May there will be an increase in the offpeak frequency of trains serving Palmers Green on Mondays to Saturdays. In response to enquiries from Dave Cockle of the Enfield Transport Users Group, Govia Thameslink Railway have confirmed that the offpeak frequency on the Hertford Loop will be increased from three to four trains an hour except on Sundays, when it will remain at two trains an hour.

We do not yet know how late into the evenings this increased frequency will apply and what the stopping pattern will be.

great northern train at palmers green stationGovia have been operating the class 313s since 2014, bult they are still in First Capital Connect livery and look very scruffyStarting on 20 May there will be an increase in the offpeak frequency of trains serving Palmers Green on Mondays to Saturdays.

class 315 interiorBy PeterSkuce (Own work) [CC BY-SA 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0)], via Wikimedia Commons
TfL took over the very similar class 315s in 2015 and they have all since been fully refurbished.
In response to enquiries from Dave Cockle of the Enfield Transport Users Group, Govia Thameslink Railway have confirmed that the offpeak frequency on the Hertford Loop will be increased from three to four trains an hour except on Sundays, when it will remain at two trains an hour.

We do not yet know how late into the evenings this increased frequency will apply and what the stopping pattern will be.

The new timetable will be reflected in online travel planning apps and websites from 23rd or 24th February.

Starting in December the Monday to Friday offpeak frequency is due to increase to six trains an hour.  December is also the date that new six-car trains will enter service on the Great Northern Metro services, replacing class 313 three-car trains that date from 1976.

The new trains will undoubtedly be very smartly turned out, unlike the class 313s in their current condition.  But just because trains are old, it doesn't mean that they are inevitably dirty and uncared for - to see what's possible take a trip on TfL Rail between Liverpool Street and Shenfield.  The almost identical looking class 315s, only three years younger, have been refurbished inside and out and the windows aren't permanently smeared with traces of water.

Once the class 313s have gone, it will be possible to replace the antiquated signalling between Drayton Park and Moorgate, which should improve reliability and give the potential for a further increase in frequency.

For earlier information and discussion about the planned December 2018 timetable, see this article and related comments.

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Improved train frequencies from May

Karl Brown

13 Feb 2018 16:24 #3624

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Any good news is good news. Let’s take it. It would be nice to belief the changes will also see station names down to Finsbury Park (and back) will be made clear for those who don’t know the stops off by heart.

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Improved train frequencies from May

Karl Brown

27 Feb 2018 21:00 #3653

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Considering potential for incremental high street trade opportunity (a real hot UK-wide topic): The DOT puts average daily car trips through PG high street at 12,065. Most will naturally be on their way from somewhere to somewhere else, not even registering where they are between end points. PG train station has 1.913m in / out’s pa. On the basis Sunday rail travel is pretty much a write off, that’s an average of 6130 people 6 days per week, more than 50% of the car equivalent, and the majority doubtless being PGers. Based on the intent of the new timetable and the 32% increase in London households now being planned for, that's only going to go in one direction. It’s much easier to stop, park and shop when on two legs rather than on four wheels. Has anyone ever received, seen or otherwise heard of across the board marketing efforts to catch this ultra-local, really-should-be-captive, business - and one that looks like its certain to be on an upward trajectory (unlike passing cars)?

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